Psychologist and cognitive scientist John Vervaeke joins me to discuss the body and the meaning crisis. We talk “ecologies of practice”, flow, mindfulness, ways of learning, bullshit vs lies, Jordan Peterson, psycho-technologies, embodied mind, cultural group solutions vs cults, the zombie myth, alienation in modern cities and we finish with some advice for teachers of different embodied arts. An intense, deep and also fun intellectual one!

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