Dance movement therapists and academic researcher Helen Payne joins me to geek out. We discuss why the body, being a “body person in academia”, Jon Kabat-Zinn, medically unexplained symptoms, psychosomatic illness, the evidence base for embodiment, the trials of doing trials, the business case for wellbeing, trauma and unexplained symptoms, chronic stress, attachment style, the importance of groups and belonging, moving symptoms with the body, how to package embodiment, resistance from mainstream culture, what an integrated embodied-medical-academic future culture would look like (inspiring stuff), Authentic Movement, the business and university war-zone and resilience. A fast, fun clever one.

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