From back pain beginnings to embodied podcasting. Carl and Mark discuss Feldenkrais, Russel Delman, The Dharma, education, integrating practices, what is “embodiment” anyway, health vs. embodiment, being too pure, integrity, grief and longing, loss, the lack of men in embodiment, vulnerability, David Deida archetypes, beyond pluralism, politics, lineages, sexism, movement culture, play, embodied podcasting (Carl also has one), and social justice embodiment and how it can be a force for embodiment and disembodiment. This episode is a bit different as a spacious chat between kindred spirits than a formal interview.

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