Experienced bodyworker and fellow podcaster Liam Bowler joins me to discuss nature, martial arts, embodied practices meeting in the middle, dark nights of the soul, wilderness work, scripts vs. authentic responses, embodied listening and podcasting, what makes for a good conversation, yin & yang, range, relational embodiment, movement and change, the spectrum of bodywork, what makes a good bodyworker, how to choose a bodyworker, social media addiction, talking across the political divide and boredom. A lively authentic chat between two kindred spirits. 




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